Meeting with Polderland 3.4.2007


  • Peter Beinema
  • Sjur Moshagen


  • Since last time
  • Possible issues
  • Next meeting
  • Todo items for the next meeting

Since last time


  • windows installer: check if executable winzip version will run setup.exe automatically
    • can be done
  • check: does the Adobe hyphenator differentiate between "word boundary" (strong) hyphenation points and "word internal" (weak) ones?
    • checked all documentation, but saw no such difference
  • installer for windows: should be multi-lingual for Norwegian, Swedish, Finnish, English, N.Sami and L.Sami. Check which installshield version we need
    • version sent
  • easter egg:
    • should not be a problem. Will send example today (from Frysian)
      • working? ==> yes. see below
  • Adobe: pending
  • MS Mac 2008 proofing tools: march beta does NOT contain Sami language codes


  • working on integrating the whole speller making, PLX conversion etc. in the make file
    • still working on it
  • working on updating the Lule Sámi conversion to be as good as the North Sámi
    • still working
  • got the version info/easter egg working

Possible issues

Speller lexicon version ID

The easter egg with version info is now working as it should : )

Number compounds

How are number compounds handled?


35-ahkásaš - in MS Word (if checked) it gets flagged, no suggestions

In command-line speller: if forced, no suggestion.

In both cases, it should be corrected to: => 35-jahkásaš

While testing the above, Divvun found a speller tool inconsistency:

a88-112-34-11:~/Documents/gt sjur$ spellSamiNort -u8 -m sme/polderland/SamiNortLexWithCatalanRez 

when started *without* an existing userdict:
Prompt: 35-ahkásaš
Prompt: Prompt: Prompt: 

when started *with* an existing userdict:
Prompt: 35-ahkásaš

PLD: we'll get back on this. Wanted: description of behaviour of speller wrt number compounds (number+hyphen+(noun|adj): "20-voets-jacht", "20e-eeuwse") Possible at all? requires summation of all numbers?

Number compounds have the form Number-Word (note the hyphen!), where the Number part can be anything.

We have unchecked the speller preference to ignore words with numbers, that is, they should be checked during our testing.

Documenting the PLX format

Can we collect the pieces of information we have received, in a single document, and publish it? We need this for our own sake, it is hard to ensure consistensy as it is now, and it is time-consuming for both parties to debug errors in the PLX source as long as we don't have common documentation to refer to and check against.

PLD: send your proposed text, it is probably OK. I personally think we should make PLX documentation public anyway.

Next meeting

Next Tuesday (10.4.) at the usual time.


  • description of behaviour of speller wrt number compounds (number+hyphen+(noun|adj): "20-voets-jacht", "20e-eeuwse") Possible at all? requires summation of all numbers? PLD
  • check inconsistent speller behaviour depending on the existence of userdict or not PLD
  • check: installer on Mac should be able to (PLD to check):
    • move existing proofing tools out of the way (into a zip archive?)
    • restore "original" proofing tools on deinstallation
      • yes, but some residues remain after de-installation.
      • is current solution OK, or should we try to do something drastic (eg, add Perl scripts)
      • solution probably requires admin rights - will document
  • check if Sami-codes are included in Office 2008 / Mac (when beta arrives with codes) (Polderland)
  • try to find proper compiler version for Adobe Indesign (old version will probably do) (Polderland)
  • send speller lexicon (or CVS tag) for the beta release to Polderland ( Sjur)