Meeting with Polderland 23.10.2007


  • Peter Beinema
  • Sjur Moshagen


  • Since last time
  • Possible issues
  • Next meeting
  • Todo items for the next meeting

Since last time


  • fixing bugs: some bugs pending
  • compounding behaviour:
    • 3/4/5-part compound appear to work in general, but not in some specific cases
      • have worked out details of a technical solution + costs (in hrs). Decision to be taken next week
  • working on zip utility for windows installer: pending
  • Speller behaviour: only suggests if errors are limited to 1 part of compound.
    • undesired (or should be user setting),
    • will be changed in future drop
  • work has started on Indesign Spellers for North + Lule Sami
    • speller starts to work, skeleton version recognises words
    • now adding the real functionality; relativey straightforward
  • work on command line hyphenator for Mac still nearly completed.
    • implemented as front end for existing & delivered hyphenators
  • new bug messages received but not inspected yet


  • major work on hyphenator debugging, several bugs found relating to compounds
  • major remaining bugs relate to limits in the PLX formalism:
    • N-part compounds either overgenerate in a bad way, or severely undergenerate
      • severely limits functionality; according to Divvun not in spec.
      • should be fixed (maybe later than originally planned final drop)
  • added iso-disk installer for CD burning

The latest spellers are available at:

Bug status


None since last meeting.

To be solved in next drop

Div Pld Description
473 452 Windows installer does not autostart after download => discuss solutions
516 4?? vista installation from zip fails => probably solved by self-extracting zip; not functioning yet

Under investigation by Polderland

Div Pld Description
461 448 Spelling errors with editing distance 1 from lexicalised words do not get correct suggestions => explanation not good enough, investigate more samples *** still investigating
522 xxx Strange compounding fenomena
528 xxx Acro words get upper-case case endings
533 xxx Office 2007 gives North Sámi suggs in context menu when language is Lule => Divvun will check with the Public beta 2.
545 xxx Bad hyphenation in compounds - fence post errors?
546 xxx Other bad hyphenation, different hyphenation in manual and auto
553 xxx Uninstallation under Windows Vista fails

To be investigated by Divvun/Users

Div Pld Description
447 443 Windows speller doesn't install on terminal server => SD IT guys will have a look once more

Issue discussion

473 - Windows installer

Alternatives to solve it:

  • make an executable installer file - requires InstallShield, meaning that either Polderland will have to make each installation package, or that the Divvun project will have to get an InstallShield license
  • make self-extracting zip files for download, with autostart options of the extracted objects; some alternative zippers for this:

For both cases different types of protection software (firewalls, anti-virus, etc) might block either download or execution of the installer. But default InstallShield installers behave in the same (or a similar) way, so that should not be any different.

Rough schedule

  • Mid September: planned final drop from Polderland
    • did drop, new drops still expected: new Windows installer, etc
  • November 1: Divvun code freeze
  • November 15: Indesign speller
  • December 11: public release

Next meeting

Next week (30.10.) at 09.30 Dutch/Norwegian time.


  • PLD discuss limits in N-part compound functionality with mgmt team, get back to Divvun ASAP
  • PLD pass information on self-extracting ziptool with autostart option + instructions on how to use it (not in working order yet) - pending
  • PLD provide information on InDesign language grouping
  • PLD check: is mklex version G5 only, or universal binary?
  • Divvun check bug 533 with latest release