Meeting with Polderland 11.9.2007


  • Peter Beinema
  • Sjur Moshagen


  • Since last time
  • Possible issues
  • Next meeting
  • Todo items for the next meeting

Since last time


  • fixing bugs: most fixed, some to go
  • beta indesign CS3 hyphenator
    • language code issue solved.
    • 1 memory leak pending (detected by debug-version of InDesign), then ready.
  • started installing release versions of InDesign for testing.
    • Test completion expected this week, then: drop
  • Speller behaviour: only suggests if errors are limited to 1 part of compound.
    • undesired (or should be user setting),
    • are investigating the impact of changing this.


  • more spellers compiled, reverted back to default penalty settings
  • continuously improving our testing tools, have found many bugs, fixed many as well

Bug status


Div Pld Description
427 442 n+accent aegu not considered part of word
465 449 Hyphenation doesn't work on Mac : : solved at Divvun side
468 451 Mac: konseartaprogr·mma -> kon-seart-apr-ogr-·mma
467 450 Command-line speller tool has word-char punctuation issues (~477)
477 454 Command-line speller tool has number-initial string issues (~467)
476 453 Inconsistent speller behaviour depending on userdict availability => expected behaviour, message could be better
498 456 Cmd-line speller doesn't accept hyph-penalty > 0

To be solved in next drop

Div Pld Description
402 439 word + hyphen + comma is not recognised ("xxx-,") => solved, wf Test
419 440 3-part compounds not recognised => solved, wf Test
448 444 Upper-case words get suggestions with Initial Case => solved, wf Test
455 446 Mac uninstaller doesn't work if run by a non-admin => solved
473 452 Windows installer does not autostart after download => discuss solutions

Under investigation by Polderland

Div Pld Description
461 448 Spelling errors with editing distance 1 from lexicalised words do not get correct suggestions => explanation not good enough, investigate more samples
480 455 Speller suggestions not identical in context menu and dialog => MS word behaviour: sorting of same-penalty suggestions; => could try to artificially differentiate suggestion penalties

To be investigated by Divvun/Users

Div Pld Description
447 443 Windows speller doesn't install on terminal server => nothing new

Will not be solved

Div Pld Description
449 445 suopmasápmelaš-type compounds accepted by the speller -> limits of tagging /compounding mechanism reached

Issue discussion

473 - Windows installer

Alternatives to solve it:

  • make an executable installer file - requires InstallShield, meaning that either Polderland will have to make each installation package, or that the Divvun project will have to get an InstallShield license
  • make self-extracting zip files for download, with autostart options of the extracted objects; some alternative zippers for this:

For both cases different types of protection software (firewalls, anti-virus, etc) might block either download or execution of the installer. But default InstallShield installers behave in the same (or a similar) way, so that should not be any different.

Rough schedule

Polderland didn't meet their self-imposed goal of delivering at the beginning of September, will try around mid September instead.

  • Mid September: planned final drop from Polderland
  • November 1: Divvun code freeze
  • November 15: Indesign speller
  • December 11: public release

Next meeting

Next week (18.9.) at the usual time.


  • PLD drop first version of indesign Hyphenator
  • PLD continue to create hyphenator for Adobe InDesign CS3
  • PLD pass information on self-extracting ziptool with autostart option + instructions on how to use it
  • PLD Proposal for command line hyphenator: 12/9
  • Sjur to give 3-4 clear examples of bug 461
  • Sjur to ask for further feedback and effort from SD re bug 447
  • Sjur to check whether the contract extension has been signed