Meeting with Polderland 4.9.2007


  • Peter Beinema
  • Sjur Moshagen


  • Since last time
  • Possible issues
  • Next meeting
  • Todo items for the next meeting

Since last time


  • working on mklex update: tokenization + behaviour with/without user dict
    • explained
  • fixing bugs: several fixed, some to go
  • beta indesign CS3 hyphenator for Mac works in principle,
    • contacted Adobe/InDesign, waiting for information
  • working on self-starting windows installer - next drop
  • started installing release versions of indesign for testing


  • one more speller compiled, with some non-default penalty values
  • the Divvun test bench is now more or less finished, all major test run types now implemented, some to be refactored or redesigned
  • fixed bugs
  • sent acceptance letter for the smj hyphenator + InDesign speller offer
  • sent dictionary + phonetic rules to Polderland for investigating bug 461

Bug status


Div Pld Description
427 442 n+accent aegu not considered part of word
465 449 Hyphenation doesn't work on Mac : : solved at Divvun side
468 451 Mac: konseartaprogr·mma -> kon-seart-apr-ogr-·mma
467 450 Command-line speller tool has word-char punctuation issues (~477)
477 454 Command-line speller tool has number-initial string issues (~467)

To be solved in next drop

Div Pld Description
402 439 word + hyphen + comma is not recognised ("xxx-,") => solved, wf Test
419 440 3-part compounds not recognised => solved, wf Test
448 444 Upper-case words get suggestions with Initial Case => solved, wf Test
455 446 Mac uninstaller doesn't work if run by a non-admin
473 452 Windows installer does not autostart after download => discuss solutions
476 453 Inconsistent speller behaviour depending on userdict availability => expected behaviour, message could be better

Under investigation by Polderland

Div Pld Description
461 448 Spelling errors with editing distance 1 from lexicalised words do not get correct suggestions => explanation not good enough, investigate more samples
480 455 Speller suggestions not identical in context menu and dialog => MS word behaviour: sorting of same-penalty suggestions; => could try to artificially differentiate suggestion penalties
498 456 Cmd-line speller doesn't accept hyph-penalty > 0 => under investigation

To be investigated by Divvun/Users

Div Pld Description
447 443 Windows speller doesn't install on terminal server

Will not be solved

Div Pld Description
449 445 suopmasápmelaš-type compounds accepted by the speller -> limits of tagging /compounding mechanism reached

Issue discussion

473 - Windows installer

Alternatives to solve it:

  • make an executable installer file - requires InstallShield, meaning that either Polderland will have to make each installation package, or that the Divvun project will have to get an InstallShield license
  • make self-extracting zip files for download, with autostart options of the extracted objects; some alternative zippers for this:
    • free:
    • commercial:

For both cases different types of protection software (firewalls, anti-virus, etc) might block either download or execution of the installer. But default InstallShield installers behave in the same (or a similar) way, so that should not be any different.

Rough schedule

  • beginning of September: planned final drop from Polderland (to be confirmed)
  • November 1: Divvun code freeze
  • November 15: Indesign speller
  • December 11: public release

Next meeting

Next week (11.9.) at the usual time.


  • PLD drop first version of indesign Hyphenator
  • PLD continue to create hyphenator for Adobe InDesign CS3
  • PLD pass information on self-extracting ziptool with autostart option
  • PLD proposal on command line hyphenation tool