Meeting with Polderland 18.9.2007


  • Peter Beinema
  • Sjur Moshagen


  • Since last time
  • Possible issues
  • Next meeting
  • Todo items for the next meeting

Since last time


  • fixing bugs: most fixed, some to go
  • indesign CS3 hyphenator now runs in release mode, is being tested
    • (define, document & execute test scripts)
  • windows spellers dropped
  • mac spellers dropped
  • windows hyphenator dropped
  • mac speller: installation issue
    • (can't find lexica; probably something small & my config fault)
  • mklex ready to be dropped
  • command line speller: test for n+accent pending, then drop
  • mac installer adapted (checks for admin rights now) - ready to be dropped
  • zip utility for windows downloaded, will try to configure & test today
  • Speller behaviour: only suggests if errors are limited to 1 part of compound.
    • undesired (or should be user setting),
    • are investigating the impact of changing this.
    • will be changed in future drop
      • excellent!


  • continuously compiling new spellers and running tests
  • one more test added - regression testing of known and fixed bugs
  • gave 3-4 clear examples of bug 461
  • asked for further feedback and effort from SD re bug 447 - they will try once more
  • check whether the contract extension has been signed - checked, was signed last Friday

Bug status


Div Pld Description
427 442 n+accent aegu not considered part of word
465 449 Hyphenation doesn't work on Mac : : solved at Divvun side
468 451 Mac: konseartaprogr·mma -> kon-seart-apr-ogr-·mma
467 450 Command-line speller tool has word-char punctuation issues (~477)
477 454 Command-line speller tool has number-initial string issues (~467)
476 453 Inconsistent speller behaviour depending on userdict availability => expected behaviour, message could be better
498 456 Cmd-line speller doesn't accept hyph-penalty > 0

To be solved in next drop

Div Pld Description
402 439 word + hyphen + comma is not recognised ("xxx-,") => solved
419 440 3-part compounds not recognised => solved => solved
448 444 Upper-case words get suggestions with Initial Case => solved
455 446 Mac uninstaller doesn't work if run by a non-admin => solved
473 452 Windows installer does not autostart after download => discuss solutions
516 4?? vista installation from zip fails => probably solved by self-extracting zip; test

Under investigation by Polderland

Div Pld Description
461 448 Spelling errors with editing distance 1 from lexicalised words do not get correct suggestions => explanation not good enough, investigate more samples *** still investigating
480 455 Speller suggestions not identical in context menu and dialog => MS word behaviour: sorting of same-penalty suggestions; => no plans to repair this one

To be investigated by Divvun/Users

Div Pld Description
447 443 Windows speller doesn't install on terminal server => SD IT guys will have a look once more

Will not be solved

Div Pld Description
449 445 suopmasápmelaš-type compounds accepted by the speller => limits of tagging /compounding mechanism reached

Issue discussion

473 - Windows installer

Alternatives to solve it:

  • make an executable installer file - requires InstallShield, meaning that either Polderland will have to make each installation package, or that the Divvun project will have to get an InstallShield license
  • make self-extracting zip files for download, with autostart options of the extracted objects; some alternative zippers for this:

For both cases different types of protection software (firewalls, anti-virus, etc) might block either download or execution of the installer. But default InstallShield installers behave in the same (or a similar) way, so that should not be any different.

Rough schedule

Polderland didn't meet their self-imposed goal of delivering at the beginning of September, will try around mid September instead.

  • Mid September: planned final drop from Polderland
  • November 1: Divvun code freeze
  • November 15: Indesign speller
  • December 11: public release

Next meeting

Next week (25.9.) at the usual time.


  • PLD drop first version of indesign Hyphenator
  • PLD pass information on self-extracting ziptool with autostart option + instructions on how to use it
  • PLD Proposal for command line hyphenator: 12/9
  • PLD re-drop windows proofing tools (codesigned dlls)
  • PLD drop windows installer tree (containing codesigned execs)
  • Sjur to give 3-4 real-life examples of 3-5 part compounds